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Odd connections between Jews, Mennonites, Amish, Hasid, White Magic and Khabbalah

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I just recently began attending a Messianic Synagogue. After a few meetings, the rabbi seemed positive that I came from Jewish stock which surprised me greatly. Admittedly, I knew that a lot of Mennonite and Amish surnames are exactly the same as some German Jewish surnames, but I had never thought much of it. However, after reading The Chosen many other thoughts are coming to mind with more and more similarities becoming apparent.

Hasid Jews

Hasid Jews

Amish

Amish

First, the Amish are very similar to the Hasid. They are both fundamentalists, strict in their observance of separating themselves from the secular world (including their clothing), and practice white magic. Seems odd doesn’t it? Let’s get a little more picky.
Both excommunicate and shun any members who stray from strict observance of their rules and traditions.
Both speak in an older German language (Yiddish and Pennsylvania Dutch) which many have said that the Amish and Yiddish speakers can understand each other easily.
Both moved to areas in Europe and Russia when heavily persecuted. Mennonites were lynched by Roman Catholics and Lutherans for refusing to baptize their children at birth, thinking the child should be old enough to make a decision for themself on whether or not to pledge their belief systems.

Pennsylvania German/Ammish Sticker We still speak the mother tongue

Pennsylvania German/Ammish Sticker "We still speak the mother tongue"

Both practice white magic. To the left is a Amish hex symbol. When traveling through Amish lands, look at their barns and you see many white magic and hex symbols warding of evil spirits or anything unclean.

Hasid Star of David

Hasid Star of David

To the right is a Hasid star and below are images of Jewish mysticism and Khabalist teachings common within the Hasid.

Makes you go hmmmm.

Furthermore, German princes offered protection to Mennonites for their great farming abilities and to Jews for their great monetary abilities.
Both were invited to settle in the Ukraine and both were slaughtered during and after the Bolshevik Revolution, some staying but most fleeing who survived. The Mennonites broke into two groups while in Russia, one turning more charismatic while the other refusing any charismatic tendencies. Some of the Russian Mennonites became known as Hutterites when they moved to the Americas.
It would seem probable that the same Germanic princes would extend welcome to Jews and Mennonites, perhaps bringing the two heavily persecuted branches within a type of friendship. Mennonites rarely marry outside the Mennonite realm and Jews do the same, so maybe that is where the connection ends.

Considering my own ancestry, I know that most of my mother’s family came from Strasbourg. And the historian of that side of the family has even traced our family back to the Alps and the Waldenisians who were persecuted by the Roman Catholic Church for refusing to believe the Pope was the head of the church, the eucharist, and many other Catholic beliefs. On my mother’s side, we are related to some Mennonites (Steiners) who have Jewish ancestry, but that does not convince me. One interesting note is that the Jews and Waldenesians were being massacred throughout Germania during the same time and within a couple centuries, Hans Denck arrived in Strausburg and began working with the Hebrew scholar Ludwig Haetzer. Together they translated the Hebrew Prophets into German. During this work, several rabbis from the town’s Jewish ghetto began helping them.

It wasn’t long before Jacob Kautz, one of Denck’s followers, posted 7 Anabaptist theses on the Strasbourg Church doors – ticking off both Catholics and Lutherans. One of these theses from Kautz is very Messianic sounding. It lays that their is a payment for atonement for sins by Christ’s sacrifice. That our daily lives should be righteous and obedient to all demands in the Bible – very anti-Luther who threw out works. We still see this struggle today. Christians who simply mutter words asking for forgiveness and go on sinning to their heart’s content. Grace – the license to sin. Opposed to those who strive to be righteous, unselfish, longsuffering and forgiving. I honestly believe that the reason why so many protestants get divorced is because of the grace covers all theology – what an awful witness to unbelievers.

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. Galatians 5: 14-26

Yeah, so if people were living in the Spirit (longsuffering, gentleness, meekness, temperance, peace, joy, love, etc) and denying the lusts of the flesh as we are commanded to do (adultery, envyings, drunkenness, hatred, uncleanness, wrath, strife, etc) what reasons would be left for divorce?

The Kurtz side of my family is what intrigues the rabbi and it is which I do not know too much about. I know that they came from the Rhineland/Palatinate area of Germany and that all of my ancestors going up are named either Rebecca or Samuel. That’s what got so confusing when I was trying to trace my lineage – everyone going back was named Rebecca or Samuel.

Anyway, I’ll have to look more into this later, but it does make one go hmmmm.

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  1. Ian says
    01 Feb 09 at 10:39pm

    Two short comments. First, I’m a Hutterite and so I want to correct you on one point. Hutterites are a separate branch of Anabaptist and sprung up in a different area of Germany then did the Mennonites. Menno Simon started his movement in 1536ish while the Hutterite movement started in 1531 under the leadership of a man by the name of Jakob Wiedemann. In 1533 a young man named Jakob Hutter (a hat maker by trade) who was later destined to become the first elder of the “Hutter”ite church. The reason for the confusion is that the Hutterites and the Mennonites have very similar doctrines. The only major difference being that Hutterites live communal lives (some Mennonites do to). But, during the years of persecution, the Hutterites and Mennonites often bumped into each other as they were fleeing. They often settled right next to each other and even taught in each others churches.

    As for your reference to your family name. I have run across the Kurz/Kurtz name in Pennsylvania. There is a community group in that area known as the Bruderhof and there are people there that have that family name. They originated from Sannerz Germany and later moved to the Rhön Mountains and from there eventually, the USA.

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  2. Linda Hafer says
    13 Feb 09 at 12:36am

    My Mother’s side of my family are Mennonite, and I have said–for many years already–that the coincidences relating together the Jews and the Mennonites are too profound to be ignored. I have always “felt” Jewish, and won’t elaborate on bizarre experiences that both my brother and I had, independently of each other, largely for the sake of time and space.

    As for your comment that “grace – license to sin,” nothing could be further from the truth. I actually believe–fervently–that 1 John 1:9 isn’t written as an instruction to believers at all (another space/time constraint here!), and that Christ died ONE death that covered all sin for all time–past, present and future. Because I have a relationship with Him, I’m not interested in “continuing in sin, so that grace may abound.” A true believer is a child of God, and his desire will be to please God. If that is NOT his desire, then he is not God’s child.

    Were the theological truth of Christ’s once-for-all atonement not a truth, Paul would have no reason to discuss the issue of grace at length in Romans–our “shall we continue in sin. . .” passage.

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  3. Dawn Kornels says
    14 Feb 09 at 3:24am

    Wow, by looking at your photo, I would guess you were either of jewish, mennonite or amish descent. Anyway you definitely look like family to me. Yes, there are a lot odd connections, more than you have mentioned here, check out this link and you will understand why…
    http://www.mennoniteisrael.org/images/pdf_files/mi-w-i-w.pdf

    This will tell you the true history of the mennonite, amish and hutterite people as it is taken from ancient sources. History is continuously rewritten and with all the persecution the Anabaptists faced, this is understandable.

    You could also make genetic connections too,there are a lot of odd genetic diseases that ashkenazi jews share with…. guess who? the amish, the hutterite and the old order mennonites. And these 4 groups are the most researched by geneticists because they are homogenous and keep good genealogy records.

    Then there is the food issue, a lot of similar dishes. Several years ago one of my friends was like, are you making matzah ball soup? I said what is matzah ball soup? She said , that looks like matzah ball soup to me.

    And you mentioned the german dialect, it is not old, it is ANCIENT! It is based on german that was OBSOLETE by the middle ages. It would be comparable to coming across english speaking communities still speaking, not King James English, but the precursor of Old English. This means the jews and anabaptists have been solid communities at least going back to the origin of the germanic dialect they speak. It would be hard for outsiders to intermarry and join the community if they can’t speak the language or learn it anywhere. This also debunks the lie that the ” Anabaptists” arose in the 1500′s, their language dates them many centuries before that.

    You should know that historically the Anabaptists did not celebrate christmas or easter as they were pagan holidays. They did not celebrate communion either. Once a year, at the time of passover they did the Lord’s supper. One of my Mexican friend’s had a Jewish grandmother who was close to the old order mennonites of Mexico in Chihuahua by Cuahtemoc. They celebrated Passover and closed their communities for several days each year. They allowed her grandmother to teach their young “lehrers” ( german for teacher) who would later become the spiritual leaders in their communities. They told her grandmother that if the Mexican government ever found out they were Jewish, they would face great persecution. The government had told them to keep their mennonite religion to themselves and their communities. Now the modern Mennonite denomination is very different from the old order faith.

    As for the earlier commentor stating Hutterites originated in Germany… that is false. My mother’s ancestry is hutterite and mennonite( because several mennonite women and several mennonite families joined the Hutterite colonies in Russia before coming to the US) and I can tell you they never lived in Germany at any time. They moved from country to country following the same migration patterns as the Jews.They called themselve germans as they spoke a german dialect.Once one of my Hutterite cousins attempted to speak “german” to someone from Germany who laughed at him and said you are speaking Yiddish. Actually the Canadian census shows the Mennonites changing their ethnicity depending on what was politically correct at the time, german, dutch, polish, russian, whatever. Most Jews call themselves Ashkenazi which is the Hebrew word for the land of Germany, even though many never lived in Germany, it is because throughout many centuries in Europe the germanic language was dominant in many of the European states. Ashkenazi is a linguistic term originally.

    The Anabaptists did not decide to call themselves anabaptists, hutterites, mennonites or amish. These names were given to them by their enemies. They had many different names throughout history. The later names were given due to prominent leaders in the movements, but these people existed as a ethnic religious group prior to Jakob Hutter, Menno Simmons and Joseph Amman. Jakob and Menno actually converted and joined these groups, were so zealous that they were very instrumentally in reorganizing the communities, but they should not be credited with starting the faith. Your relative is right, these people all trace back to the Alps, primarily the Italian Alps/Piedmont where the most common name they were called historically was the Waldensians, however the modern day Waldensians in Italy are neither of the same religious or ethnic descent. It has been said by many ancient church historians that no people have had so much in common with the Jews as the Waldensians had, even sharing in the sufferings and persecutions. There is an ancient book still being reprinted called “Israel in the Alps” that is about the Waldensian people. You see, Jesus had brothers and sisters, so did his disciples and other followers, they all had families that through the generations kept the original faith which is what the Waldensian professed. The Waldensians claimed to be the physical and spiritual descendants of the congregation at Jerusalem. The Catholic church was started by pagans people for political reasons and persecuted the true followers of Jesus.

    You also mentioned the similarity in surnames. I did research about 8 years ago and found that 98% of all amish, hutterite and mennonite names are either exclusively, predominantly or commonly used by Ashkenazi jews however most are not used by Germans. The other 2% I couldn’t trace the origin or meaning of. I found several names denoting Cohen or Rabbinical lineage in the Mennonites also, which leads me to believe there were Rabbinical Jews joining these communities.

    Then you have the first names used by Anabaptists. Every family has a Jacob. It must have a Jacob. Half of all men in my mother’s ancestry are Jacob and I can trace my mother’s ancestry any which way I want to as we have community records. Those that aren’t Jacob are Abraham or Johannan for the most part. Naming patterns for the Jews, Catholics and Protestants were distinctly different from the 1500′s to 1800′s and the Anabaptists were most similar to the Jews.

    One of my mennonite acquaintenances took this information I gave him and made aliyah to Israel based on the Right of Return. The second rabbi he saw approved when he looked at his “mennonite” genealogy. He has been an Israeli citizen for about 4 years now. He is also messianic and had a Jewish style wedding where he and the bride are lifted up on chairs after the ceremony. This is a long standing Jewish custom. His elderly mother came up to him, surprised and explained that is an old order mennonite custom, however if they didn’t have chairs, they lifted up the couple on the pews.

    The old order Mennonites also spend one week after the wedding eating their meals at different relatives homes, this is their version of the honey moon, and guess what ? The ultra orthdox Jews do the same thing.

    Another one of my mennonite acquaintenances who was not a pacifist, but fought in WWII was suddenly called before his superiors along w/2 other Jewish soldiers, cursed at because they were a “bunch of damned Jews” and dismissed without explanation from service. His whole life he has been “accused” of being Jewish, because of his name/looks and his mennonite ancestry can be traced for at least 500 years.

    Another friend of mine looked so much like family I had to find out her heritage, she said it was PA dutch. I said , Amish? She didn’t know. I said well, PA dutch means you are Amish, and if you are Amish, well you are Jewish. She said she had always identified herself as a “spiritual Jew” and she knew as much about Jews/judaism as if she grew up with it and had a real love and respect for the people. Finally she spoke to her mother about their roots, her mother was raised in an Amish community and was told by her family that they were from the tribe of Levi.

    I met another lady at a messianic congregation that looked either Jewish or Mennonite, I couldn’t tell which, so I asked her. She said her family was Amish and they were from the tribe of Levi.

    A hutterite genealogist admitted to me that the Stahl name ( there are only about a dozen hutterite surnames today) was introduced as the records say, by a young 14-15 dark curly haired swarthy skinned Jewish boy who joined by himself.

    A couple of my aunts keep close ties w/Hutterite colonies in their area and my mother is starting to also. One of my aunts in WA asked the Hutterite communty about being Jewish, their response was, oh yah, yah. ( hutterite for yes)

    Another striking similarity is the Hutterite colony life compared to the Kibbutz’s in Israel.Or the old order Mennonite and Amish co-operative farming communities and the Moshav’s in Israel. Historically, the Jews and the Anabaptists were accused of being “socialists” because of these types of communities.

    I read an article on how Mennonite groups were sending missionaries back to Siberia and Russia to get their people who were abandoned there since the time of WWII. This was a missionary outreach in the 90′s. They were persecuted by the Russians as the outcry was , the Jews have returned, the Jews have returned.

    There are legitimate reason’s why the Amish, Hutterite, and Mennonites would not go around proclaiming they are Jews, for many centuries that was asking for the death sentence. The Jews were after all, accused of “killing God” and considered to be the most evil vile people on earth. Also from a modern Jewish perspective, if you believe in Jesus, you are no longer Jewish according to their definition of Jewish.

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    • S.Sawatsky says
      26 Nov 11 at 11:44pm

      I would greatly appreciate an opportunity to communicate with D, Kornels if she is available via email. Toda Raba.

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      • 27 Nov 11 at 5:45pm

        You can also ask her directly on her message here. If you reply to her message, she will be notified through the email she provided. Most people reply shortly after a response is left on their message. Many people are interested in this topic, so it may be nice to communicate here and everyone’s privacy is kept, and information may be for all.
        As an author and a blogger, having messages public is easier than many people trying for one-on-one messages asking the same questions.

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      • 27 Nov 11 at 6:05pm

        I do not give out people’s email without their permission.

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    • 27 Nov 11 at 5:42pm

      Hi, Dawn, someone just asked for your email because they had some questions. Would you allow me to give it, or for your safety and the curiosity of many here on this site, would you like her to just ask her her question here – in a reply to your message, which she could do. It seems like a lot of people are interested in this topic.

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    • s.sawatsky says
      30 Nov 11 at 6:29pm

      Hi Dawn, I would like to correspond with you concerning Mennonite /Jewish Aliyah and the experience you have had regarding these issues. Thank-you!

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    • Lydia says
      21 Jan 12 at 9:31am

      WOW, interesting post! Also that link to mennoniteisrael.org (women in the wilderness) was well worth the read!! Thanks :-)

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  4. Brauche says
    19 Feb 09 at 4:29pm

    THE TOP SECRET AMISH FRONT (& HUTTERITES)
    (about the middle of the page)
    http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula5Bchap.shtml

    it’s not all “white” magic…

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  5. 01 Mar 09 at 3:02pm

    It is more than just coincidence my friends. Have you ever wondered by the founders of both the Mennonites (Simons) and the Amish (Amman) have Jewish names? Being a Jew carried a death sentence in many parts of Europe. This history goes way back into the Hapsburg Dynasty and beyond into the Babylonian Exhilarchs. Aargau Canton Switzerland was a sanctuary for Jews and at times in history the only place they could live.

    Rest assured the roots of the Mennonites and Amish are the “Old Families” meaning the Jews. The more you research the more you will find.

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    • Trena Pelsy Garrison says
      03 Feb 11 at 7:18pm

      Interesting……both sides of my family have roots in Canton Aargau. I can’t get anybody to confirm my hunches that I have Jewish ancestry among my Mennonite relatives!! After Switzerland, relatives were found in Alsace-Lorraine.

      Reply if you wish…..any info for me? Thanks!

      blacksand42@sbcglobal.net

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      • 02 Aug 11 at 1:32pm

        There was a HUGE population in Strausborg, France (where many of my ancestors came from and sailed from to come to the Americas. Many of the Mennonites were meeting regularly with the Jews for translation of the Old Testament, and many Mennonites were being persecuted and recieving haven from the same canton princes that were giving protection to the Jews…….. in the Ukraine also. Katherine the Great invited both the Jews and Mennonites to move to the Ukraine for their gifts in farming (Mennonites) and business (Jews).

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  6. Joseph says
    01 Apr 09 at 11:14am

    As someone who has extensively read up on both communities and have strong ties to one, I can tell you that most of what one reads above is based on nothing more than wishful thinking, tied in by some interesting coincidences. Much like the similarities between ‘Lincoln’ and ‘Kennedy’ and their tragic deaths.

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  7. 27 Aug 09 at 3:02pm

    To further confound your thinking in regard to Jewish ancestry consider that all Jews are Israelites but the reverse is definitely untrue! Recall, the lengthy plot line of Joseph, is rejection and being sold into slavery by his brothers (from another mother). His rise to Vizier of Egypt, his forgiving his brothers and bringing Jacob whose name was also Israel, down to Egypt in the time of the famine. Recall again the special blessings given to Joseph and to his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh by Jacob.
    Their was a brief period of the United Kingdom of Israel and Judah under the Davidic Dynasty. But, after the death of David’s son, Solomon, the Northern Kingdom which was referred to as “Israel” rebelled from Solomon’s son, Rehoboam. The Northern Kingdom was called by several names; Israel, Joseph, Ephraim, Samaria. “Israel” because they were the vast majority of the tribes. (The Southern Kingdom retained the Davidic Dynasty and Jerusalem and was made up predominantly by the tribe of Judah, Benjamin those Levites who had lived in the Southern Kingdom (probably the majority of Levites, since they were the Temple operators and their sub tribe the Kohanim were priests. Also Simeon was scattered in the midst of Judah.) Just as Judah was the dominant tribe of the Southern Kingdom, Joseph was the dominant tribe of the Northern Kingdom. Ephraim, the younger son of Joseph was blessed by Jacob to be greater than his elder brother Manasseh. The capital city of the Northern Kingdom was Samaria; therefore in Biblical history and prophecy the use of any of these terms: Israel, Joseph, Ephraim and Samaria refer to the Northern Kingdom.
    Great prophecies were made about the future of Ephraim and Manasseh and Jewish tradition dismisses them as being fulfilled in some episodes in Judges. Rabbinic Judaism has claimed the birthright of Joseph! But read in the end of Genesis yourself, and realize that nothing like these prophecies have ever occurred to the Jewish People.
    The Northern Kingdom; Israel; Ephraim, Samaria, committed apostasies and idolatry despite Prophetic warnings. Finally The LORD whistled for Assyria, and used their power to punish Israel and to exile them from the Land and from history! These are the Lost Tribes. They weren’t killed. They probably merged with the Assyrian and other northern mesopotamian peoples who were at the time beginning their migrations into western asia and Europe. I believe they kept some tribal cohesiveness despite forgetting their identity, their God, their language.
    When Yeshua claimed He came for the Lost Sheep of Israel and then sends his disciples to the ends of he earth many readers either ignore the internal contradiction or just don’t even notice it. But the LORD said that though He scatter Israel like sand throughout the nations he will like a sieve regather every single one. And it is no contradiction that as the Apostles and Missionaries spread through Europe some of the Pagan “barbarians” quickly converted. Like sheep who recognize the sound of their shepherd’s voice, these Lost Israelites THROUGH Yeshua were reacquainted with the God Of Israel. And that was a major part of Yeshua’s mission. A happy by-product was the crumbs from the table that allowed non-Israelites to become engrafted into the Tree of Israel.
    To summarize many truly confessing Christians ( and not those who mutter the sinner’s prayer as they continue to sin) are not merely wild branches engrafted, but are in fact actual branches of Israel reunited with the God Of Israel!
    Mainstream Rabbinic Jewish scholars scoff at any of this, of course. They claim that the term “Jew” is synonymous with “Israel”. They claim many of the other tribes fled south at the time of the Assyrian captivity and became incorporated with the Kingdom of Judah, which of course is the origin of the word”Jews”. No doubt many individuals with affiliation with the Tribes of the Northern Kingdom in fact did flee south and merged into the Jewish people. But, the Tribes as tribes, and with their individual prophesied futures yet to be fulfilled were exiled into mystery.
    One more thought. The Moon has always been seen by Jews as a symbol for Israel. The Holy-days are based on the Lunar calender. The Gematria (numerology) of the Hebrew for David is 14. And incidentally, the genealogy of Yeshua is listed in 14′s. The haftara read on the eve of the new moon 1 Samuel 20:18-42 reveals David hiding from Saul during the New Moon. There is a palindromic component that is too complicated for now, but clearly Israel is The Moon. I suggest that Judah is the full moon, and Israel (Joseph) is the side unseen from earth; the so-called dark side of the moon.
    And when Judah and Israel are reunited by the second coming of Yeshua the world will be shocked at the culmination of all of God’s plans within plans! Soon, please Yeshua!

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  11. Katusha says
    02 Nov 09 at 12:55am

    wow this is so interesting. Ok i’m Russian but i moved to US several years ago. I have some Jewish blood from mothers’ side.I had not heard much about Amish or Mennonites before I came to US.
    I have recently started to hang out with some Mennonites.And I think they are very cool. I come to their church sometimes and it’s very interesting. It lasts forever though( like 3 hours)And i just love the relationship in their families. they respect each other and put family on the first place. Another fascinating thing about is that they dont have much( material things) and they are pretty happy with what they have. When we” outsiders” have everything and still are not satisfied with life. I’m amazed with their simplicity of living .)))) I think jewish culture is very interesting too)))))))))))))))

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    • 02 Aug 11 at 1:43pm

      Mennonites treasure family and community. :) We know that happiness does not come from material items. Thank you for your kind words. It was a bit of a culture shock when I left my Mennonite community and met the world, lol.

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  12. Joseph says
    16 Apr 10 at 11:10pm

    Greetings to you in the wonderful name of our Lord Jesus Christ, By the grace of God I have go thru different web pages and I have got your address and inspired by the holyspirit to wirte this letter to you
    I am born and brought up in india , at the age of 5th my father sent to me a orphan home because of large family, there I spent till 16th of year gone thru differn situations , the Lord enable me to study in the college , there I come to know the Lord as my saviour and baptised and went to Bible college for pastoral triaing I have studied 3 yrs theology, then the Lord guide me to a village planted church and make it as self supported and given to one pastor and like this I have planted 5 churches as my own, sinc ethen Lord is faithful to me am faithfully working for Him, I have wife and 4 children, all are studying
    We have plenty of ministry in the villages and often we have fellowship of ministers get togeather and praying for unity and great harvest inindia we need like minded people like you to be guide and advise in the ministry to go further I do translation work from English to Telugu
    I and our mission happy to joint and work with you on behalf of you in india
    So please come and visit us as the Lord guides and directs
    With love and prayers
    Yours in His mission for the souls
    Rev N Joseph Raju
    http://www.clgm.org

    Email: harvest2020@aol.com

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  13. Trena Pelsy Garrison says
    09 May 10 at 9:22pm

    I knew it….I knew it….I’ve seen various family pictures of several generations ago, and I see “Jewishness” written all over the Mennonite and Amish faces. I’ve tried to research but without much success, UNTIL I found your site. My maiden name, and variations of it (going backwards “more or less” in English, French and Swiss/German) is: Pelsy, Belsly, Belsey, Bellesley, Baltzli, Boeltzli and, as I understand it, finally Balthazar in Switzerland. Does any of this make sense??!!! I had a distant cousin in France. She died at 101 a few months ago. She was extremely intelligent and nothing was wrong with her mind at her advanced age! I once asked her in my best French if there were Jewish roots in our Mennonite heritage. She said something like, “Oh, who knows, it was so long ago.” I was certain there was more to the story and she didn’t care to talk about it!!! Best regards…..

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  14. Trena Pelsy Garrison says
    02 Jun 10 at 9:13pm

    PS to my comments of 5/9….correction: the Balthazar surname in Switzerland should have been Barzelai. I believe both sides of the family come from Canton Aargau. The plot thickens, and I would really like to know if there’s any substance to my hunch!! Many thanks. Best…..

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  15. Trena Pelsy Garrison says
    10 Jun 10 at 12:42pm

    Rebecca…Any chance you can give me further direction where I can research the Jewish and Mennonite connection, especially in Canton Aargau Switzerland? I can trace family back to the 1600s. Feel free to email me. Many thanks!!

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    • 02 Aug 11 at 1:40pm

      Sorry, it’s been a crazy year and now I’m laid up from a knee surgery. Let me ask my uncle. He’s been traveling and researching through Europe on my mom’s ancestors, but……… I think my dad’s is the side that is Jewish. However, he has found relatives that traveled up from Rome and settled in the Alps once Constantine started killing the Jews.

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  16. Kara says
    08 Jul 10 at 3:55pm

    I am from Amish background. My parents left the Amish when I was 5. After my Mom’s death this last year, I began to be interested in my lineage. I began researching it, and both of my parents families came from the Aargau region of Switzerland. Surnames on both sides are Jewish Ashkenazic surnames in origin. Nothing would make me more happy than to be able to confirm my suspicions and hopes.
    My question is, how do I go about confirming this? I am lost as to where to turn next.

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    • 02 Aug 11 at 1:38pm

      DNA testing. Let me ask my rabbi. See if there are more avenues or data needed before going to a lawyer to try to make aliyah.

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  17. 15 Jul 10 at 2:31pm

    Interesting blog and responses. I’m a Mennonite from Lancaster County, PA, whose ancestors came there from Switzerland in 1753 and recently married to an Israeli woman. My wife was early struck by many of the resemblances you note – especially names. Then she noted that the family crest of my family, which goes way back to Switzerland, is six-sided like the Star of David. She always says I look more Jewish than she does!

    However I read nothing on that is site this is to me more than interesting speculation. I wonder if someone could devise a scientific genetic study, or unearth family records from the 1600s to show Mennonites/Anabaptists had Jewish converts?

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    • 02 Aug 11 at 1:37pm

      I have heard that some Mennonites traced their family heritage back to Europe and made Aliyah (Israeli citizenship for being Jewish). Would love to be able to do that one day. I know one person who was Black Bumper Mennonite who discovered that 97% of his DNA came up Jewish. All Mennonite and Amish heritage that he knew of but so, so many Mennonites comment that they are Jewish and know they are Jewish. Like the Steiners…… who are related to me. :)

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  18. Leroy Miller says
    10 Aug 10 at 10:51pm

    Amish-Jewish ties

    I recently became intrigued with possible Mennonite-Amish/Jewish ties. Consequently, your article adds to my growing belief that links do exist, at least through some family lines. My Mennonite-Amish ancestry is rooted in Switzerland and Alsace. Adam Rickenbach, my 4th great-grandfather, immigrated to Pennsylvania in the 1700s. A family tradition says the Rickenbachs were Jewish. Margaret, Adam Rickenbach’s youngest daughter, married Andrew Troyer. The couple was Amish-Mennonite.
    The Jewish Encyclopedia “Alsace” article states that some historians believe that Jews were living there at the end of the 8th century. The text further says, “In 1233 a Jews’ quarter existed in Strasburg and the term ‘Jew’ was applied to some of the Christian inhabitants as a sobriquet [nickname] or because they were descended from baptized Israelites.”
    My parents were Old Order Amish when I was born in Holmes County, OH. The Old Order has retained centuries-old cultural patterns more accurately than any other Mennonite group. Among those traits are male first names, the focus on keeping extensive genealogies that resemble Old Testament ancestral lists, and meal prayers.
    Missionaries carried the Gospel into northern Europe many centuries before Johann Gutenberg’s printing press. With the native populace illiterate, the Good News was heard rather than read by new believers. Logically, Christian teachers would have told New Testament stories of Jesus and the Apostles, with the Old Testament having a much lesser role. As a result, male children were given N.T. names: Peter, James, John, Andrew, Philip, Stephen, Paul,,,,
    However, well into the 20th century among a large segment of Ohio O.O. Amish, only Peter and John held their own against Old Testament names. For instance: I had a grandpa Mose; an uncle Mose; five Mose first cousins; two uncles Jacob; and one each of Noah, Reuben, Samuel, and Eli. Other less popular names include Abe, Isaac, David, Daniel, Ezra, Jonas, and Levi. Reuben and Levi are two of the 12 Israelite tribes.
    Despised and persecuted as Jews have been throughout history, why would Gentile Christians with no direct ties to Jewry, have taken on so many Old Testament names?
    While some Amish individuals show minimal interest in ancestral history beyond their grandparents, there’s enough curiosity in most extended families in each generation to have published a genealogy/family history. A maternal uncle and paternal first cousin accomplished that for both sides of my family.
    Asking God’s blessing before a meal is a basic rule for most Christians; however, only among my Old Order relatives and a few conservative Mennonites have I shared in end-of the-meal table grace. I recently discovered that Hassidic Jews practice both, as well as additional prayers during a meal. Although, this seems to bolster Anabaptist/Jewish links, it might also mean that table grace, once practiced among other Christian groups, has only been retained by the Amish.
    Admittedly, while no definitive answer to a Mennonite-Amish/Jewish connection exists presently; tantalizing bits of evidence have excited this novice searcher.

    Leroy Miller

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  19. Trena Pelsy Garrison says
    27 Nov 10 at 7:31pm

    Any chance you can change the black background of your website? The white script font is really hard to read….Ariel would be better and could be twice the size! I should be able to read this perfectly but just can not. I don’t want much, do I??!! ha ha

    Thanks for considering this!!

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  20. Vicky says
    11 Jan 11 at 2:30pm

    I started researching my ancestors in 2009 and the first thing that came to my mind was that they were Jews based on their old testament first names. I read that Catholics used new testament names and Jews used old testament names. Some of my ancestors on my mother’s side were 17th century Protestant Huguenots who moved to New Netherlands (New York) If they were true Catholics they would have stayed Catholics like my father’s side of the family.

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    • 02 Aug 11 at 1:34pm

      Yes, I have found the same thing in research. There are Rebecca and Samuel Kurtz names in my family tree going all the back to the 1500s to Strausburg, France. These are our family names.

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  21. Dan Watts says
    19 May 11 at 12:02pm

    I recently confirmed that my biological father’s family were Swiss German Mennonites but my original male ancestor was Haplotype J1 and J2 or Semitic in origin.

    I’m not sure when this family became Mennonite or i f they were “under the radar” prior to thta but I am interested in the research. An mDNA test would prove the haplotype of your female ancestry however there is no guarantee that if a female ancestor did not test J1 and or J2 that there was not jewish ancestry from the male side.

    DNA testing settles all speculation with the Y-DNA and the mDNA tests.

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  22. Amelia says
    10 Jul 11 at 9:43am

    Very interesting. I am forever correcting people’s assumptions that I “look Jewish”, although my dad was Russian Mennonite and my mom was mostly a combo of Scots-Irish and Pennsylvania Dutch.
    It might interest you and many of the people posting comments here that there are active genealogical DNA research projects on both Jewish and Mennonite/Anabaptist communities. It looks at both Y-DNA (Y Chromosome signature in males that remains unchanged from father-to-son for generations, except for the occasional slight mutation — which actually helps sort out different lines of the same family)… as well as mtDNA/mDNA (mitochondrial DNA) that everyone has inherited from their mother — making a similar unbroken chain of mother-to-child. Neither the Y-chromosome nor mtDNA are affected by recombination with each generation. This makes an unbroken link between you today and your ancient ancestor on your maternal-only line, and also an unbroken link (if you are a man) on your paternal-only line.
    The Mennonite/Anabaptist project is grass-roots, with no ulterior agenda. The results so far have been interesting. My dad’s maternal line (mtDNA) results did come back as being associated with “Fertile Crescent” populations. Here is a link to the project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/menno/default.aspx

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    • 02 Aug 11 at 1:29pm

      Wow, that is very interesting. Thanks for sharing. One day, I will take a DNA test.

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  23. Texas55 says
    05 Aug 11 at 7:30am

    My family is jewish but has a mennonite/Amish surname. The city they came from in Ukraine had a very large mennonite population. We’re unsure if our ancestors just took the name of a mennonite they worked for or if there was intermarriage. They apparently didn’t take the name to hide their jewishness though as they left because of the pogroms and “hebrew” is stated as their race on the ship manifests. Nor is there any evidence they practiced anything other than judaism.

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    • 15 Sep 11 at 10:30pm

      Yes, I know that Katherine the Great invited both the Mennonites and the Jews to move to the Ukraine and promised them refuge in exchange for their skills. They were allowed to keep their German language and culture which became a great detriment to them when World War I began.

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  24. CHRIS says
    28 Sep 11 at 8:24pm

    I am descended from Swiss Anabaptists and ad took a Genealogical DNA test that wound up Haplogroup Q1b1a* a group only found in Europe among Ashkenazi Jews and son Swiss Anabaptists. Hope This Helps.

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  25. 09 Oct 11 at 10:03pm

    Your story ‘s very interesting, but it’s quite very true. Did you know that my last surname Neufeld is common by Christian and Jews around western world (Part of Majority of Mennonite) It’s an biggest assumption of my surname came from Jewish descent, but my ancestor from 17th century were most Mennonites.

    My ancestor came from Danzig, there were a lot of Jews. I theorized that Divided groups of Neufeld chose converting to Mennonite and kept traditional religion Jewish in late 17th century.

    Some people asked me whether I’m jew but I often denied until I recently found out that my last name came from jew. My surname in Hebrew is “נויפלד”. There are at one hundred population of Neufeld living in Israel. There are less million population of Neufeld living in Northamerica, who are both Christianity and Jews.

    I’ve researched a lot about comparison of same surnames between Mennonite and Jewish links of our ancestors from Danzig, West Prussia in 17th century:
    An result of lists of surnames:
    -Fisch, Fischer
    -Unger
    -Weiss
    -Steiner (not sure from Mennonite ancestor)
    -Vogel (Uncommon in Mennonite, but common in Jewish)
    -Wolf (sometime Wulf in Mennonite)
    -Hamburg
    -Holtz

    Any question? Please email me!

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    • 07 Nov 11 at 10:50am

      I know some Steiners who are Mennonites (I’m related to) that definitely know that they are Jewish. My last name is Kurtz which is very Jewish. I learned from my rabbi that there are actually a ton of rabbis named Kurtz; however, Kurtz is rare as a Mennonite name.

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      • 06 Apr 12 at 6:02am

        Hi, thanks for reply.. it was overdue :P I followed you on twitter last year :) I did catch up a lot of comments about Mennonite and Jewish rooters. I grew up in Asuncion, Paraguay, and spent most in rural area, it calls mennonite colonies. I emigrated to Canada. when I was 16. My dad visited in Danzig, Poland in his first time and looked for names in the burials.. I told my dad that our ancestor was Jewish. Personally, I’ve not tested DNA yet but we are possibly linked to tribe of Levi . Your claims says “Mennonite farmers and Jewish Business” for setting in Russia, makes PERFECT senses :)
        Indeed,, Less modern Mennonite are business than Jews. I have many jewish friends now as close allies. I’m almost agnostic :)

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  26. Lori Alayne Weber Miller says
    15 Oct 11 at 6:39pm

    I just googled the question do Mennonites have Jewish ancestry and your blog came up. I have often questioned this as my Grandfather was Mennonite his name was Moses Joseph Weber and in pictures he looked like a Hasidic Jew. I have often been told I look Jewish and My sympathies are definitely with Israel even now. The names in my grandfathers family were always OT His father was David Moses and my Uncle was also Mose. Jews and Mennonites are very big on geneologies. I am afraid you have only piqued my curiosity more but the genetic testing might be interesting to explore. If the Mennonites/Amish are Jewish than I guess messianic Jews have been around for a while huh?

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    • 07 Nov 11 at 10:55am

      Yes, I would say Messianic Jews have been for awhile, lol. It was very common for Jews to keep OT first names when they adopted German last names. Most Christians used NT names or cultural names. My dad’s side has a Samuel and Rebecca Kurtz in every generation going back to the 1600s when we left Strasbourg, Switzerland – one of the heaviest areas of Jews in Europe at that time. Many Jews were in the Alsace-Lorraine area. I keep hearing reports from both Jews and Mennonites that their DNA tests say that they match up. Jews contact me on Facebook and say they have found Mennonite ancestors and Mennonites contact me that they have Jewish ancestors.

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  27. Andrea says
    10 Dec 11 at 5:20pm

    Dear Rebecca,
    I have the same sneaking suspicion as do you regarding our origins. I also have Mennonite ancestors. I think there is something Jewish in my background. Loooking for proof of it. Good luck to you, Andrea

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